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<div class="Message" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">Morning Troops,<br />
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Can someone point me in the direction of where I can find "standard" sizes of an on-carriageway bus stop marking?<br />
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I have it in my head from ages ago that it should be 19m overall to allow for a bus pulling in and pulling out, but I can't for the life of me think where it's written down.</div>
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<div class="Message" style="margin: 5px 0px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">Hi Joe<br />
This is surprisingly poorly documented. Manual for Streets and DMRB duck to issue, referring only to bus lay-bys.<br />
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However, both&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://content.tfl.gov.uk/bus-stop-design-guidance.pdf" style="color: #428bca; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">TfL</a>&nbsp;and what is now the Northern Ireland&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.planningni.gov.uk/downloads/busstop-designguide.pdf" style="color: #428bca; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">Department for Infrastructure</a>&nbsp;have on-line design guides that largely agree.&nbsp;<br />
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Based upon a 12 m long bus, they say the normal length is 23 m, the absolute minimum 19 m (if there is no adjoining parking), but that 37 m should be allowed for manoeuvring in and out if there is adjoining parking.</div>
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<description><![CDATA[AndyS <br />December 2017<br /><br />TSM Chapter 3, para 17.22 says:<br />"Where the stop serves frequent or multiple services, or vehicles with different entrance positions, the length of the bay may be increased in increments of 2 m. The legend BUS STOP should be used once for every complete length of 12 m. Under-used stops of excessive length may result in enforcement difficulties."<br /><br />So that would infer that the minimum length would be somewhere between 12m and 22m, as you don't often see "BUS STOP" written twice within the marking.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Joe_Hawke <br />December 2017<br /><br />Thanks all for your input. Took the easy way out on this one and measured a couple of random bus boxes nearby - 19m it is.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[RyanCooper <br />January 2018<br /><br />The TfL guidance is very good. 19m is the absolute minimum assuming there is clear entrance and exit to the stop (i.e. a clearway or double reds/yellow).<br /><br />A bus will not be able to pull adjacent and close to the kerb if there are obstructions before or after, meaning mobility impaired passengers will struggle to board/alight and you will have failed your duties under the Equality Act.]]></description>
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