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<description><![CDATA[The software I use to calculate post sizes and foundations allows the user to change the "Wind Return Period". It defaults to 25 years but the user can select 50 years or some other value.

Is there any point in selecting a greater value than 25 years? What is the industry norm? I'm thinking of an urban context, sign sizes could be anything from a parking plate to, say, a 3m x 3m advance direction sign.

Is there any published advice on the matter? I'm looking to quote it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[The industry norm is to use the 25-year return interval wind speed. This is mentioned in the body of BS EN 12899-1, but the National Annexe says you can use 50 years if you prefer for any reason (NA.2 Note 4). It makes little difference in practice: using 50 years would add about 4% to the wind load.<br /><br />So there is really no need for your software to offer you this option. SignLoad from Buchanan Computing always uses the 25-year return interval speed. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Simon. <br /><br />Yes, I'd noticed that in NA.2.<br /><br />BS EN 12899-1 mentions both 25 year and 50 year wind loading but it doesn't say why you'd choose the larger value. Hence the query.<br /><br />I think what you've said should nail it and we'll continue with 25 years as standard.]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2024 13:15:26 GMT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Just a thought but presumably the wind speed calcs should be in line with the expected life expectancy of the sign as per the quality mark - presumably that would not be more than 25 years although I accept you might re-sign the same pole but would good practice be to replace the whole structure?]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2024 14:27:23 GMT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Good point and one also made by the supplier of our software.<br /><br /><br />]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:54:46 GMT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[The 2021 (and previous) IHE Sign Structures Guide does its example calculations based on the 25-year speed, making the same comment that the design life of a sign doesn't exceed 25 years (although I can point to many older ones still up, some doing good service but many badly degraded and in need of replacement). ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Late to the party but even if you put a replacement sign on the existing posts at the 25 year point, ask yourself if the posts will last for 50 years! The original sign is going to be pretty grotty if it lasts 25 years, I shudder to think what the posts would be like after 50.]]></description>
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